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Copyninja Street FD - GT3 Build

As a new season of fun starts again, I went back to ensuring all systems are a go and did a quick test to see if the 15psi (low boost setting) is as good or in line with last year. Hopefully there are no nasty surprises from the hibernation!
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I started with doing some quick back to back hits from 60-100mph (in mexico) to ensure all is in line with the previous year. Thought id spend a bit of time playing around with the injection timing and test a few different settings to see if it makes any difference in the real world?!
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This year the FD has 2 big changes which will impact draggy times...effectively making it a slower.
1st change - 245 35 18 cup 2 front to 265 35 18 cup 2 front.
2nd change - BGW is back on!
Both mods guaranteed to slow the car down in acceleration tests.

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As i'm on the link g4+ (for now) it runs start of injection.
I was running a setting last year of 270 -330deg which wasnt too bad and at 15psi at 11.1afr it ran a 60-100mph as confirmed below.
I also ran 90 - 180 deg and 440 - 300deg and couple more variations, which resulted in similar or slower times.
I think the best i did last year was 4.42 from 60-100mph on the G35 1050 street port at 11.1afr. Easily fast and fun for street and track use.
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I spent a bit of time with the trial and error method to try and find the best start of injection numbers and settled on 90 -105 degrees which in my testing netted the best results for me! 90deg from 0-5krpm made the fd the most responsive on and off throttle and 105deg above 5krpm again made it buttery smooth and the response was the best i'd ever experienced. Every other setting i tried could not compare subjectively when behind the wheel. The biggest improvement in my opinion was the throttle control and linearity of the power delivery.

I re-tested quite a few different combos noted above with injection timing (took a while as the afr changed and had to spend a more time to get the 15psi back to 11.1afr, it was such a tedious process)
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I tested it on draggy and surprisingly, the new injector timing (90-105 degrees) shaved 0.16 seconds off my 60-100 mph at 15 psi boost 11.1afr same as last year (I genuinely did not expect any improvements). In fairness, tt's not a night-and-day difference on draggy, but a significant subjective improvement behind the wheel and free performance is always a win ahh and i pulled out nearly 5-10% fuel in the idle and cruise areas as compared to the 270-330, 420-300 deg options. In terms of smells the fumes nearly eliminated.

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With the baseline numbers looking good on the streetported engine, it's time to push the 100-200kph!

The aim is to determine if a streetported RX7 with a small turbo can consistently achieve low 6-second to high 5-second performance in 100-200 kph acceleration with the standard box and diff. Stay tuned to see if this setup can achieve these aggressive goals!
 
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are those angles btdc? any reason you used start of injection rather than injection end angle to set your timing?
 
Worth pointing out also on the Link, anything over 360 degrees will be fired at 360 degrees as the ecu only recognises a 360 degree cycle for a rotary engine, even though the ecu will let you put a value over 360. Confirmed from Link themselves.

90 degrees however is the same as 450 degrees, youre just one rotor face behind on the very first engine rpm, then its negated pretty much.
 
I was giving up hope whether a Streeport, a G35 1050 with only pump 99 fuel had what it took to run a low 6s 100-200km/h. Sooo glad I didn't give up and persevered. It was well worth the below results.

I confirm the G35 1050 on a street port has the guts to hussle into a low 6s range on pump fuel. No exotic race fuels in sight!

Here's how i did it
22psi to 5500 rpm.
23.5psi to 8000k rpm
Bleed down to 21psi to a redline of 9krpm on a street port.
This allowed the tyres to hook up and the run felt strong and effortless.

All achieved on Pump fuel - 99 RON with wmi. (no Ethanol / c16 or exotic race fuel used as base fuel). I used 60% meth / 40% water blend for my wmi mix.
I may try a 75/25 blend next but no intention of running 100% meth due to fear of pre-ignition issues on pump 99 fuel.

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Achieving a low 6-second 100-200 kph acceleration with a streetported RX7, G35 1050, standard box and diff on pump fuel is a fantastic result (imo). The power hungry may disagree but i promise you for most FD owners this is easily too fast for street use and on track you will be limited by traction and suspension setup not power.
Have a look below at the weapons Auto Top NL tested via draggy in the 100-200 running close to 6.15s range.
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Hitting a 100-200 time like that shows my setup's well-tuned. I'd bet it's around a true 550hp at the flywheel. Despite the dyno showing 500rwhp (about 600fwhp), I doubt it's actually running that high (dyno error likely reading too high).

The shift was very poor so i'm hoping i can pick up some time there.
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Captured via draggy video overlay as well.



The RX7 100-200 Leaderboard was updated to reflect results from rotaries only. All the engine swapped FD's will have a separate one to reflect the same.
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Hitting the 5s range on pump 99 RON fuel would be a major bonus. I'm confident that switching to E40 would easily get me there without any additional boost etc.

Thrilled with the performance as I've been chasing this for nearly a year.

Next, i want to test the performance loss of the stock 5-speed manual and report back. Would be great to know exactly how much time is truly lost in a manual shift.
 
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14-15 psi 60 - 100mph - 3rd gear shifting at 8krpm to 4th to hit a time of 4.24s
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Same as above but held 3rd gear to 8700rpm resulting is a staggering 0.4s improvement. I had data years back which confirmed the potential time loss as around 0.4-0.5s but now this back to back draggy result absolutely confirms that!
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For a budget-friendly performance upgrade, go for a street port with a 9k RPM rev limit. With this setup, you can keep the stock box and diff while enjoying a free 0.4s boost in 60-100mph sprints. It's a significant improvement without breaking the bank.

When you're pushing your setup to its limits, shaving off that extra 0.4 to 0.5s can quickly rack up costs - new diff, box, turbo, engine, harness, you name it, easily hitting the 30-40k mark. That's why I'm all about snagging free, budget-friendly performance wherever possible. With a street port capable of revving to 9k RPM, you're looking at a no-cost 0.4s upgrade, especially if sticking with the stock box.

In summary, every stock FD box shift costs approx 0.4s or more of real world performance. I feel the DCT box calling out my name! Free performance without any additional strain on the engine. I know its an expensive upgrade but i think that's where im headed next when / if my stock box dies.
 
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It seems that I encountered a problem while attempting to reach the 5s range. Despite increasing the boost to 24-25psi, I couldn't complete the run due to hitting the limits of the fuel system.

The issue at hand appears to be the fuel system, which seems to be operating at maximum capacity. The duty cycle reached nearly 100%, before hitting the safety limiter, the differential fuel pressure indicated that the fuel pump (Bosch 044) was struggling. Normally, it maintains a steady 60psi, but at 24.4psi, it dropped significantly to 34.2psi, indicating that the fuel pump had tapped out.

I was hoping to get to 26psi today but it seems my current fuel system has reached its limit. Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel pump upgrade?

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As we spoke about before, anything over 85% duty, the intake ports aren't even open enough to accept all the fuel at higher revs. Looks like bigger injectors needed to bring the PW down. Also looks like some form of fuel pulsation as demand increases, do you have a fuel pulse damper at all, maybe worth getting one.
 
As we spoke about before, anything over 85% duty, the intake ports aren't even open enough to accept all the fuel at higher revs. Looks like bigger injectors needed to bring the PW down. Also looks like some form of fuel pulsation as demand increases, do you have a fuel pulse damper at all, maybe worth getting one.
Gonna change the fuel pump next weekend and see how it goes from there.

The 044 is tapping out causing DC% to sky rocket. Im hoping the new pump allows me to get to 26psi without the need to change anything in the current fuel system. I'll update soon.
 
What one have you decided on?
Still researching but nothing firm yet.

The brushless 600lph pumps seem to draw low current as compared to a traditional walbro 535/br540 /450 and thus less heat is transferred into the fuel. There is less strain on the alternator and battery as well...but they are bloody expensive like 4 to 5x the price of a 535 so still considering how best to economically upgrade the entire fuel system without cutting corners.
 
Still researching but nothing firm yet.

The brushless 600lph pumps seem to draw low current as compared to a traditional walbro 535/br540 /450 and thus less heat is transferred into the fuel. There is less strain on the alternator and battery as well...but they are bloody expensive like 4 to 5x the price of a 535 so still considering how best to economically upgrade the entire fuel system without cutting corners.
525 and PWM control it, then you have much less current draw and you're not constantly over flowing the fuel system. The majority of heat comes from the fact you're pressuring a lot the fuel, Gay-Lussac’s Law P1/T1=P2/T2, PWM you can reduce the flow rate as well as the current draw, countering both heat inputs.
 
While on the topic of fuel pumps. I think i need to reduce my base fuel pressure back down to 45psi, (currently at 63.5psi to gain net fuel delivery but outside 044 pump efficiency) and see if the pump will get me upto 26psi.

Although i suspect i will be out of injectors and need to add bigger injectors as well.

You can see the differential fuel pressure dropping off below.
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Analyzing the 6.15-second draggy run reveals some potential for improvement. I'll share my insights for discussion purposes. As always, it's recommended to consult with your tuner and builder.

Upon reviewing the data, it's evident that there's untapped potential, particularly with regards to the fuel system. Addressing the fuel pump and possibly upgrading the injectors could yield hopefully better gains and get me into the 5s 100-200 range which would be amazing with a bloody g35 1050 and a streeport on pump fuel! Quite a modest build imo which any fellow FD owner can copy without breaking the bank.

It looks like this run can be further optimized, leaving room for enhancements. By increasing the boost average by approximately 1.5 psi (i.e. average 24psi across the rev range) and refining the air-fuel ratio (AFR/lambda), maybe just maybe there are some more performance gains to be achieved.

I really want to get the G35 1050 to 26psi and see how it goes.
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Looks good! As youve said, looks like you could lean it out a little, leaving it richer around peak torque. Still have that weird oscillation as fuel demand first increases, interesting to see if that goes with a fuel pump change and then if not, if it does with a FPD.
 
Looks good! As youve said, looks like you could lean it out a little, leaving it richer around peak torque. Still have that weird oscillation as fuel demand first increases, interesting to see if that goes with a fuel pump change and then if not, if it does with a FPD.
The tweaking never ends!

I rekon there is a high 5s run in the current setup.
 
Weekend update - Getting ever close to breaking into the 5s 100-200 range.

Ran a pb of 6.09s

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The fuel pump tapping out is proving difficult to push more boost. That being said playing around with the fuel injection timing and a bit more tweaking I managed to reduce injector duty cycle on average by 5.6% on the primaries and 6.2% on the secondaries. Even after pulling out nearly 6% fuel out of the boost areas this did not reduce the burden required off the fuel pump. It was still nose diving despite both primaries and secondaries injectors demanding 6% less fuel on average. The peaks as noted above are much higher like 8% less fuel demand from the pump.

I had to do this comparison because my last post absolutely proves the time loss due to the manual shift plus time lost to get back to desired boost.
3rd gear shift when 100% throttle (21.2psi boost) is 53.964
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4th gear shift when throttle back to 100% (ony 10.7psi :eek: ) is 54.431
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The total time loss is 0.467 plus an additional 0.291s to get back to 21psi to match the boost in 3rd before shifting to 4th.

In summary, a DCT would be faster than a stock FD box everytime not to mention there would be zero loss of boost. DCT time for the same would be approx 6.09 - 0.467 ~ 5.62s for a 100-200kph and thats not taking into account being off boost. That being said.....i have a stock fd manual and in reality the valid draggy run is a 6.09s. Its close but no cigar, the draggy is a cruel mistress and denies me the 5s pass yet again.

Not all good news - The clutch slave cylinder tapped out after this 6.09s run and the clutch pedal stuck to the bottom. I had to force it back up and pump it 10x (performance issues 😂) to be able to drive back home. That concluded any further tuning for the night. It was a bit disappointing as I was in the zone and only had 0.1s left to find in a rather conservative tune ha!
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There will be no further 100-200 testing for at least a couple weeks to carry out some much deserved maintenance.

The plan in no particular order
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Hopefully the above should take no longer than a couple of weeks.

I have a couple more secret upgrades which will be revealed soon. Hopefully these cycle of life improvements should improve overall efficiency of the setup.
 
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Things are about to get REAL in the 100-200 Leaderboard! Word on the street is Mark's been stockpiling power-ups, and let's just say my comfy second-place seat is starting to feel a little warm. This might be my victory lap before getting knocked down a peg, so I had to snag a screenshot for the history books!

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