Up to date Brake recommendations for fast road/ track?

[Ferrox117]

Hi guys can’t see a ridiculously new post for recommending brakes. I’m planning on doing some track when the build gets on the way….

I’ve spoke to Chris at tarmac sportz and he said hawk were a go to once upon a time but they don’t do affordable discs anymore, he suggested black diamond.

Anyone add any info here please?

 

[jdmr_neil]

I always liked stoptech discs and pads. Performed as well if not better than ds2500 for half the price.

If and when you start to get really quick then your gonna want a bbk upgrade anyway so i found the stoptech more than capable to build up my confidence

 

[MILLION]

Same as Neil.

 

[4packet]

Depends how much power you have, how hard you intend to drive on track, and to some extent your tyre choice and which seasons you intend to book track days in.

 

[Ferrox117]

I always liked stoptech discs and pads. Performed as well if not better than ds2500 for half the price.

If and when you start to get really quick then your gonna want a bbk upgrade anyway so i found the stoptech more than capable to build up my confidence

I really want some stoptech discs but they don’t seem to do them in the same quantity anymore however I can find some rears but the shipping alone is half the price of the discs, okay that’s good to hear- I have been trying to find some stoptech pads that don’t only fit akenbono calipers
Ahh okay, I was looking originally to see if I could cut out the middle man but think I’ll stick with the stock ones for a bit to get used to it, I’m only aiming to stick around the 350 mark but we shall see

 

[Ferrox117]

Same as Neil.

Your input is appreciated thankyou!

Depends how much power you have, how hard you intend to drive on track, and to some extent your tyre choice and which seasons you intend to book track days in.

Yes 100% we’ll atm only in low 300s but aiming to go into 350s etc. and fairly hard but I can always guage it after some track action just looking at options now when I need them,
Well I’ve just bought my new alloys and going to get new tyres maybe nankang ns2rs, not sure yet got to do the research mainly the warmer /inbetween seasons

 

[Gunnytron]

Do stoptech even do brake kits for the RX7 anymore? I can only see disk for sale.

 

[Gunnytron]

Do stoptech even do brake kits for the RX7 anymore? I can only see disk for sale.

Scratch that. I can find stuff in the states. I thought they were UK based for some reason. BBK is £2k+ for the front by the looks of it.

 

[Ferrox117]

Scratch that. I can find stuff in the states. I thought they were UK based for some reason. BBK is £2k+ for the front by the looks of it.

Yeah so that’s my problem just not affordable anymore due to limited production, so looking elsewhere, tbh discs are discs at the end of the day but pads are really the important bit

 

[jdmr_neil]

Scratch that. I can find stuff in the states. I thought they were UK based for some reason. BBK is £2k+ for the front by the looks of it.

That stoptech bbk for the fd was tested to be the best balanced system back to back with many of the top brands aswell as the usual Chinese outfits.

Aside from that i have zero experience of it but had i kept my fd this was the route i was going. 2k for a front bbk is pretty cheap when you start shopping around.

 

[Gunnytron]

Sakebomb do a few kits the look to be decent. Not sure how much r&d they have been through though. But still, not cheap, but they do have a rear kit too.

 

[4packet]

Stoptech is part of Centric Parts in the US. I think the quality is decent. I picked up there 332mm ST40 based BBK a few years back while on holiday in the US so was good value. I also bought a spare set of rotor rings and a full set of their pads. I've only used there pads for the MOT and initial testing on the road post build and then stuck them in for a 3000mile trip through the Alps. I use Carbotech pads otherwise. Started with RP8, then RP10 and more recently RP2 (endurance compound) on the front only. The Stoptech pads have much less coefficient of friction than the Carbotech, with the 929 MC the pedal is quite heavy. Internet research suggests the Stoptech pads are similar to DS2500. Rear setup is the larger RS 314mm with OEM discs initially and Dixcel more recently. I use Gulf RF1000 fluid and lightly bleed before each track event. The fluid struggles when the pads get low.

I'm on my 3rd set of discs front and rear with the fronts on their last legs. Replacement costs are now quite high for the fronts. My current set are from Giro (circa £600 just for the rings). I rip through pads at an annoying rate. I've had Ian at Carbotech maximise the rear friction material volume which has made a difference. The rears were wearing at least as fast as the fronts initially. I've fitted some air scoops to the trailing arms which help. Fronts on average last me 3 track days, but I need some bad weather for that to happen. 3 weeks ago I did the CD track day at the Nurburgring and looks like the 2 sighting laps and 24 hot laps used half my front pads (circa £270 to replace the fronts). Brakes is my 2nd highest consumable after fuel on track. Car is around 450bhp on Federal RSRs.

 

[MILLION]

Jesus packet! I thought i was hard on brakes.
Not to go too off topic. But, i'd like to see those air scoops some time. Or anyone's attempts at air direction for that matter

Looking though the receipts. Last set of pads I got were a set of DS3000 through Tegiwa. I can't tell the difference. Maybe the fluid looks better post track bleed

 

[Satoshi-FD3]

I think you should speak to Julian Sepp, he made up some brackets to retrofit Brembo's and bigger discs, I think he might still sell the kits at a reasonable price.

 

[4packet]

Jesus packet! I thought i was hard on brakes.
Not to go too off topic. But, i'd like to see those air scoops some time. Or anyone's attempts at air direction for that matter

Looking though the receipts. Last set of pads I got were a set of DS3000 through Tegiwa. I can't tell the difference. Maybe the fluid looks better post track bleed

I used this type of ducting and attached with P clips. Needed a little bit of trimming to avoid the rim, but pretty simple. It probably cools the wheels more than blowing directly onto the discs. You can see track rubber blown across the barrel, so it does work. I struggled with the front. I made a fiberglass shroud for the centre of the disc, but trying to mount a 3" hose that doesn't drag on the ground and get pinched by the wheel on full lock is a challenge. I was going to spray water into the inlet (like the Oz touring cars) triggered off the brake switch, but lost my way with it. Trying to put a deflector on the underside of the wishbone is tricky due to the shape and ARB link location.

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Regarding the Brembo option. If they are the ones fitted to Evos then I'm pretty sure the pistons are quite big, so it shift the bias heavily to the front axle.

 

[jimmyd]

I think you should speak to Julian Sepp, he made up some brackets to retrofit Brembo's and bigger discs, I think he might still sell the kits at a reasonable price.

He's still selling on ebay., I'm looking at this setup at the moment. Just managed to get some brand new old stock Brembo civic calipers. So a set of disks and caliper brackets next.

 

[Satoshi-FD3]

He's still selling on ebay., I'm looking at this setup at the moment. Just managed to get some brand new old stock Brembo civic calipers. So a set of disks and caliper brackets next.

What's his shop on eBay?

 

[jimmyd]

What's his shop on eBay?

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[Gunnytron]

I do remember looking in to that but decided against it. I can't remember why now. Maybe it was the brake balance or maybe it was the fact that there is no guarantee that the rotors would be available next time you needed new ones. Or, it might have been because they would be unlikely to fit under my 17s.

 

[4packet]

Cheap way to get big brakes. Quick google suggests the piston sizes on the Civic Brembos are 40mm compared to 36.1mm dia, so that gives an additional 23% bias to the front (and longer travel pedal) before you include the additional force with the much larger discs. In theory the car will take longer to stop, especially in the wet. This is the challenge with most big brake kits. Stoptech address this, but the last time I looked don't go bigger than 332mm for the FD.