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On/off throttle lurch bounce

Jake_rorx7

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Afternoon

Something has been bothering me since I bought my 7 last year. When I'm on and off the throttle, especially in the lower gears, the car has a tendency to bounce back and forward excessively. It is at its worst in 1st gear if I lift off from a slow traffic crawl, it lurches forward and backward. It also does it when reapplying light thottle. It can still be felt in higher gears, but less so. It makes partial throttle cruising a bit annoying.

This can be remedied by clutching in before I lift on or off the throttle, but I'd just rather find the source of the bounce than have to work around it. Sometimes I feel like I'm going to give my passengers whiplash in traffic because the poor sods cant anticipate my throttle movements! I'm sure my clutch doesnt enjoy the doubling of its use either.

So drivetrain wise, I have adjusted and replaced the TB dashpot, still persists. I have had the engine rebuilt by Stu, still persists. Although he didnt mention it so maybe its just an inherent part of these cars? A previous owner has replaced the diff bushings with poly, and the engine mounts with OEM (There is a good amount of play in the engine mounts when prybar-ing, but they look to be good condition and just the usual rubber movement). All suspension bushings look not new but not bad condition either.

I'm really scratching my head at this. Does anyone else have this, and can it be improved? Perhaps poly engine/trans bushes would reduce the drivetrain movement?
 
PPF loose. Check the bolts are tight or I guess ifs not snapped

Either that or you've got an adaptronic
 
PPF loose. Check the bolts are tight or I guess ifs not snapped

Either that or you've got an adaptronic
Interesting, forgot these old Mazda's have a weird frame there. I will check that and ugga dugga the bolts to spec following a guide I found


I have got a PFC, I did read on some old threads about a fuel cutoff point might need adjusting. I haven't had it tuned in yet, still on base map just running it in.

Thanks

Thanks
 
Basically @JoeLanger once told me "if I was doing 30mph in 4th and found the car was bucking back n forth id punch myself in the face for driving so slow" 🤣
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haha I wondered why you tagged me! I don't think I actually said that? although is sound advice

@Jake_rorx7 no not an ugga dugga, tight as fuck with your biggest breaker bar!!!! they always came loose on my car
 
haha I wondered why you tagged me! I don't think I actually said that? although is sound advice

@Jake_rorx7 no not an ugga dugga, tight as fuck with your biggest breaker bar!!!! they always came loose on my car
Unfortunately fduk is dead and I can't show you the post. I'm sure I have a screenshot on a sd card somewhere 🤣 was 100% you! There's no one else who would say it 🤣 i did have to use German to English translation to decipher it 😆
 
Unfortunately fduk is dead and I can't show you the post. I'm sure I have a screenshot on a sd card somewhere 🤣 was 100% you! There's no one else who would say it 🤣 i did have to use German to English translation to decipher it 😆
haha I'm fairly certain it wasn't me! I remember laughing at it though
 
Interesting, forgot these old Mazda's have a weird frame there. I will check that and ugga dugga the bolts to spec following a guide I found


I have got a PFC, I did read on some old threads about a fuel cutoff point might need adjusting. I haven't had it tuned in yet, still on base map just running it in.

Thanks

Thanks
Mine is on PFC on base map and does the same thing, theres a delay between throttle input and the engine picking up and it lurches, im just progressive on the throttle and doesnt buck about much. I need a map also once ive sorted a few bits which im sure will cure this.
 
Just an update incase anyone comes across this thread in the future - can basically confirm it is tune related, specifically the fuel cut-in point perfectly aligns with the jerk, and it is 100% repeatable. 0% fuel injection duty cycle on decel, then jumps to 4-5% at about 2krpm and immediately jerks forward and back. Will just have to wait for the tune, I could fiddle with it but I'd rather not.
 
I HAVE FIXED THE ISSUE BY ABOUT 80%

Twas not tune related

Rear lower inner arm bushes, both arms. Excess play, I could move the hub side of the arm back and forth about 3 inches when not attached to the hub. Replaced - now I don't have transient throttle lurch.

I assume the actual wheel/arm was the thing doing the lurch by moving back and forth between it's accell position (forces at the tyre push fully forward) and it's decell poition (forces at the tyre push rearward)

edit: some things I tried along the way
torque PPF bolts
Get a gearbox to chassis brace
Get a poly diff mount (turns out diff was already poly)
Got retuned after run-in with smoother transition
Play with dashpot on throttle for smoother close
 
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